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Re-Posting a Message from Willis Lamm, LRTC – A Definite ‘Must Read’

Posted by Texas Mustang Project on May 11, 2010


Tracie,

Feel free to use this if you like.

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In November 2008 I was at a meeting where a rather influential person in the anti-horse camp was lamenting that the horse advocates were making headway because of their use of the internet.  “If something happened, within 24 hours these people will have 5,000 emails and letters sent out to politicians.”  The point of this little speech was that the anti-horse folks had learned their lesson and were going to use the internet for their own advantage.

A few months later I was at a restaurant late at night when things were quiet and amazingly ended up at a table within earshot of some guys planning strategy.  Their conversation caught my attention when I heard the phrase “those horse people.”

To make a long story short the people who want to get rid of wild horses have been getting organized.  They are bringing everyone of common interest into their fold.  They have developed action alert networks so they can also generate an instant flood of emails and letters.  Some of these people have also carefully analyzed our camp and have identified our weaknesses and they are taking advantage of our weaknesses.

We have not been evolving at the same rate as they have and our advantage in this battle is eroding.

One of the most effective tools used by the other side is misdirection.  These people are primarily motivated by profits. Profits (and losses) tend to keep people focused.  The motivation of the wild horse advocacy camp is more esoteric and therefore is more easily manipulated.

The anti-horse camp knows that some in our camp are emotionally reactive and they can and do use that weakness against us.  While we certainly have folks jumping to conclusions on their own, a carefully planted suggestion in the right forum predictably gets some advocates in a fuss over things that often have never happened.  When we have tried to source out false rumors, they typically resolve in an unidentifiable sender with an anonymous gmail or yahoo address that managed to get on a list or mined our email addresses from one of the hundreds of bulletins in circulation.

False information can be planted in ways that make it look like it came from advocates.  These guys know that some advocates are going to run with this information without checking it out.  There are several advantages to the other side when they can “spike” the rumor mill.  People have actually taken out gmail and yahoo addresses using screen names used by horse group leaders in some of the formal lists and forums.  (There are at least three “false flag” email addresses out there with my screen name attached.)

Misdirection keeps us from focusing on and solving the real issues.  The most common example is to report some clandestine or egregious act on the part of BLM.  It is guaranteed that some folks in the wild horse camp will run with it.  These guys know that a few in our camp are obsessed over every transgression by BLM, real or imagined.  While advocates are in an uproar over nonexistent shooting of foals or nonexistent shipping of horses to Mexico by BLM, the bad guys get the spotlight directed away from them for a while and can go about unchallenged.

You can bet that these guys capture and save whatever they can to use against us.  Since the real facts are generally on our side, the best way for them to challenge us is to send advocates on a rabbit chase and then point out examples when advocates got all up in arms over stuff that didn’t happen (planted disinformation.)   Later they will hold up these incidents as “proof” that we’re a bunch of clueless harebrained tree huggers.  Clearly when they can do that, they degrade the effectiveness of our fact based arguments.

Finally, disinformation is the most effective tool that an “enemy” has to disrupt and fractionalize an opposing coalition.  Divide and conquer.  This tactic has been used for centuries.  In our situation those of us who recognize the need for our positions to be regarded as credible have to visibly distance ourselves from what we call the “Hysteria Corps.”  We’re spending way too much time on damage control and not enough time moving this issue forward, and it’s what the other side is counting on.

Most people in our advocacy camp ask rational questions when something comes across that appears too dramatic to be true.  However a percentage of every camp latches on to whatever drama occupies the moment and we certainly suffer from that infliction.

To stay focused in a direction that could ultimately help our free-roaming horses and burros we need to question everything that circulates that cannot be anchored to a verifiable and credible source.  If an event or incident can be authenticated and if dwelling on it actually and materially serves to restore the standing of wild horses and burros on our public lands, then we should run with it.  Cold, hard facts, not drama, will carry the day.

Here’s the bottom line.

The obsession over the Indian Lakes Rd. (Fallon) facility is a loser.  While we are embroiled in something that will have no impact on public lands decisions, BLM is marching under orders to remove more horses.  That’s where we need to be focused.  There is illegal stuff going on, but not where we keep getting fixated.  There are people behind the scenes trying to get useful information to us, and I have posted several really important things that have been going down, but everyone is fixated on a mare with a prolapsed uterus.

Last December some Virginia Range horses actually did go to slaughter through an illegal sale conducted by the Nevada Department of Agriculture.  Lifesavers, LRTC, the Hidden Valley Wild Horse Protection Fund and Let ‘Em Run managed to intercept most of them, but eight young healthy horses made it through to Ole Olsen.  We had the smoking gun and should have held to account those people responsible but the advocates were too busy debating Al Kane’s postmortem of a foal that died on the range at Calico.

The icing on the cake comes when some of us who have been involved in this business for decades, who live on the wild horse range, who have learned who to trust and who know our enemies, are assaulted by the Hysteria Corps for not embracing the latest line of undocumented drama.

We’re not making the headway we should be making in Congress to get our public lands policy turned right side up.  We don’t have huge amounts of campaign money.  We don’t have well paid lobbyists in Congress.  Our only strengths are credibility and the support of the public who believe that we are morally on the right path.  When we fall for misdirection, make things up and get fixated on distractions we erode our own strengths.

Finally, there are people on the other side of this issue who are unabashed and very accomplished liars.  I don’t mean BLM in this instance but rather the forces that influence BLM’s policies and the decisions made in Congress.  We can’t make our issues into liars’ contests.  They are much better than we are and they will win.

I’m not suggesting that we should all be clones and that we don’t have a variety of perspectives on this issue.  Diversity of perspective is healthy.  What concerns me is the volume of fiction being introduced into this camp and that is where we are likely to self destruct.

There are real villains out there.  Going after them is not nearly as dramatic as getting fired up over the rumor mill, but if we actually want to win this battle rather than just have a litany of incidents and people to yell at, we need to get a clearer view of our real and necessary targets.

You want to stop the problems as have raised concerns at Indian Lakes Rd?  Then dial back the machine that removes horses from public lands in such large numbers.  Recognize the symptom, of course, but focus on curing the disease.

“:O) Willis

Willis, as always, thank you graciously lending our ears to this information. I think that this has occurred more often than any of us suspect, and it is imperative that each of us make sure that we are speaking (or typing) the facts and the truth before we spin our wheels in slick mud. We could be spinning our wheels for a very long time and getting nowhere while other more important issues are passing us by. Again, thank you!

T.

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46 Responses to “Re-Posting a Message from Willis Lamm, LRTC – A Definite ‘Must Read’”

  1. Linda said

    Willis & T., message received. We really must keep on track and avoid providing fodder the factions moving against our wild ones. And also avoid duplication of effort. Maybe it would be good if folks would be willing to commit to working on specific tasks.

    And if they want to pursue something on their own, do solid, documented research before they put it out for all to see. Some issues might be better kept within personal networks to avoid mining by the opposition.

    People, we are spinning our wheels spending time on emotional comments that are obviously being used to discredit us and, more importantly, our movement. I admit I’ve contributed to this as much as anyone else.

    T., Willis, or anyone out there, don’t be shy in reminding me to stay on track when you feel I’m wandering. And please tell me when I should move on from what’s essentially a moot point or a lost cause. I want to be part of the solution, not the problem.

    • Linda, this is actually a really great idea. A few of us had started to think along these same lines about a month ago. Unfortunately and ironically enough, we were sidetracked at the time by yet another reporting of an incident. (I don’t recall particularly which one – mushy brain day!)
      I think it is time that we revisit this train of thought.
      T.

  2. I have the utmost respect for Mr. Lamm’s work and agree that many of his points are well taken. He has been urging that those who want to preserve America’s wild horses see the forest, rather than the individual trees. And there is some wisdom in that.

    But as one who wrote about the Calico “mare with the prolapsed uterus,” I think there is an important place for her story–and the stories of her fellow captives–too. I am not necessarily trying to rally the known wild horse advocates or take their eyes off the big prize–the preservation of our wild herds–but by sympathetically telling the story of one individual horse who suffered and/or died, we are able to bring new people to the cause. By asking questions about the treatment of captive wild horses, we may be able to bring about changes in the way they are treated. We want those people who are in a place of authority to know that we are watching, and that they are being held accountable.

    Each life lost is a precious one, worth remembering and commemorating. We do not diminish ourselves–or the cause–by honoring the fallen horses. We all share a common goal, but there are many ways of achieving it.

    • Hi Maureen,
      I don’t think that the message is so much to not report the stories of those who have passed on from this world, rather it is to be absolutely sure that our information is accurate and correct… to the letter. There have been many stories that have spun off the one of the mare in question and her untimely demise. Some of these stories are absolutely ludicrous in their telling and serve only one purpose: deviation from the primary goals.
      Yes, telling the stories of those who have passed on from this world does bring in new advocates, but personally I am leery of using this technique as typically it gives a false sense of animosity towards the wrong individuals. As Willis pointed out, the BLM employees “on the ground” are not the ones who make the decisions that we need to focus our attentions on, rather the politicians in Congress make these decisions and therefore they are the ones we should be focused on.
      We could sit here all day long – and some folks have – and debate, bash, slander, attack and cry over the frustrations we have with certain events that have occurred. But what good will it do if we do not take our requests for change to the ones who can actually make those changes? None.
      T.

  3. Linda said

    BOXES!

  4. The reports coming out of Fallon are only a part of what we have to deal with. There are other things afoot that are about to change the playing field. BLM is responsible for their activities. No one else is. NV Dept. Of Ag heard from many of us and we did not go off to debate the post mortem over the possible slaughter of horses sent to Olsen. The foal was still an important subject for what it represents; horses pushed beyond protocol resulting in death. The horses sent to Olsen was a NV incident that got a national response.

    How to dial back the machine that removes wild horses in large numbers???

    I ‘read’ once influential advocates blowing their cool because they could not pick up a phone and ask some questions before sounding off. I read weak advocates who are frustrated and wanting ‘reactions’ from those around them. That is the drama I read. Most of the rest I read has to come along the path and be seen for better or worse. I would like to see people giving real support to those who have been doing more than their share and with no fanfare.

    Maybe we need to get back to demanding the release of the Calico horses. Maybe we need to remind the Judge and BLM that the euthanization of healthy horses is still not acceptable. Maybe we need to keep pointing out that BLM claims not to be zeroing out herds yet the list is long and apparently about to grow longer; so time to call them on this and not back down. Maybe we need to remind all advocates to be sure that they use facts they can verify. Maybe we need to hold BLM and DOI accountable for what they have done and not keep dancing around about the suits upstairs and the guys on the ground like the weed expert turned WH&B Expert who wanted to help the horses. Did he?? Maybe some misdirection is taking the heat off BLM and not keeping it on?? Is there someone else out there who has been managing the wild ones?? I think, in my humble opinion, that some people are falling off the wagon and they are maybe meant to. The rest of us are about to be on the ride of our lives so you better watch where you step, what you say and even how you say it. That is what is happening in my world. mar

  5. “The anti-horse camp knows that some in our camp are emotionally reactive and they can and do use that weakness against us.” Willis Lamm
    I take issue with this statement that emotion is a “weakness”. Some years ago I worked with a group opposing a garbage dump in a rural area where people had little political power. We came upon a group “Citizens Clearing House for Hazardous Waste” started by Lois Gibbs(anybody remember Love Canal?) We used their “playbook” and it did include emotion. It was not one of hiring lawyers and experts—remember the other side has the upper hand on hiring better lawyers and experts—but getting the community on the same page and in front of the press (no internet at this time). We brought out mothers and babies to represent us, small children affected by water quality, etc. in front of the local TV cameras Emotion plays well to getting the public on your side as long as you have the facts. Look—the helicopters DID run those foals hooves off–mares did abort and are raising their foals in barren facilities.
    On another wild horse situation years ago the Chincoteague ponies were sold by the firemen at too early an age and the foals sometimes traveled home in the back of cars. It took the “emotional” concern of people to change those policies and also humane groups to keep an eye on the roundups. I am glad that there are “emotional” people who care about the wild horses as well as “boots on the ground”. We need both. As for myself I am from the east and have traveled to Washington DC last fall and again this March to attend BLM Advisory meeting and the March for Mustangs. I believe there is a place for all of us in the battle.

    • sandra longley said

      Not a one of us would be here if it were not for our emotions..we are ALL passionate about the wild horses, their lives and their future..would there be any other reason to be here? Maybe, I (had) a friend who decided to get into the horse training business..she adopted a mustang..and then got involved in training horses for the mustang challenge..I e-mailed her when the calico debacle started to get her take and see if she wanted to be involved..she said she couldn’t, she worked for the BLM…well not really, she gets a kickback from them..and said she was doing her part by training the mustangs so that they could be adopted…hard to argue that point-none the less-I ended my friendship with her…I could have respected her if she had put all the wild horses first instead of worrying about the ramifications to her.Yet in her own way she was making a contribution..I donot consider myself to be a black and white person..most of life are gray areas, and the decisions we make show the strengths and weaknesses in our character, but this is NOT about us as individuals its about us as a group(not being a ‘group” person alot of this I find unsettling-but to be expected..Willis put it very well..I find facts and information to be a very comforting thing-and it IS the means by which we will win this and it is our passion that will drive us to stick with it..So everyone-soldier on!!!

  6. SHIRLEY LE GARDE said

    I don’t know who Willis Lamm is or who’s side he is on. However, after reading his letter it would seems it is the BLM. We know the BLM is completely for the money and the cattle barons as has been proven many times. Most of the information put out by the advocates has been proven before it was submitted. The concern for the horses at Fallon by advocates is to be admired and not critized. The gentlemen is concerned about lobbyists and campaign money, and I agree Washington works where the money is. However, we are only getting organized thank to Ginger. If Mr. Lamm had information on the horses sent to slaughter by the Nevada Department of Agriculture why did he not report it to one of the advocate groups? Remember our steps to save the wild horses has only started and the program is growing. If Mr. Lamm is eager to help then I suggest he contact Mr. Salazar and arrange a table top meeting between Mr. Salazar and the top “advocates” to work out a rewarding arrangement for our wild horses.

    • sandra longley said

      In actuality there are people who have been doing this since the 70s-without acclaim or fanfare but on their own home turf trying to save their individual herds..some were good years, when the person who headed that district (usfs) were wild horse people..they hauled hay out to the horses in bad winters when the horses needed it..nowdays they are “horse haters” and more concerned with upward mobility..the horses are a pain and generate negative publicity..This person had the audacity to work for them and found a wild horse protection organization and she would be very uncomfortable with the fact..that I consider her to be a hero.Those kind of people aren’t born everyday..she shuns the attention and goes about the work of getting it done.

    • All, please forgive my absence this evening… I have been cooking, and may I just say… Boy Howdy, I’m An AWESOME Cook! 🙂
      Now, on to matters at hand:
      1st: I would like to thank each and every one of you who have commented here this evening. TMP is a place for all different points of view to be seen and heard. Intelligent dialogue and communication are the first steps to compromise. Compromise is the only way to get an impossible problem solved.
      2nd: I do know Willis, and I respect him for every act of kindness he has shown to the wild horses and burros, but as well to any critter that finds its way to him by whatever means it does. Willis is a “kindred” of sorts to me because we are both cut of the same mold – he is a retired Fire Fighter, I am a Paramedic, but as well we are both have the belief that the only way to solve this impossible problem we have before us is to take the bull by the horns (so to speak) and go straight to the decision makers for our requests to be heard. We don’t go at this task lightly. It is a very daunting task, and we take it very seriously.
      Like myself, Willis is not “for” or “against” the BLM. Willis is for the horses, which is what we should all be for, and what most of us here are for.
      To address the statement of “Most of the information put out by the advocates has been proven before it was submitted. ” Yes, indeed most of them have. But there are those among the Advocates who have not proven their claims before publishing them. Those are the ones that we are speaking of in this particular instance.
      Yes, we are all worried about lobbyists and campaign money because we know and understand that this is where the problems begin for the ones we advocate for.
      We most all appreciate Ginger as well, but personally I call Ginger on the phone and tell her of my thanks versus spending money to go back to D.C. that I could have spent on an animal that needed shelter and nutrition. This is just my way, not saying it is the right way for all, just me.
      Willis did report his information to one of the advocacy groups… his own and many others who could assist. Willis Lamm is the Communications Officer for the Alliance of Wild Horse Advocates, the founder of Least Resistance Training Center, and works with countless other wild horse advocacy groups across the US.
      No, our steps to save the wild horses has not only started, no they have only continued from what was started more than 50 years ago. Each of us on some level are all doing our best to make Annie proud that we have carried on her life’s work. Every day, there are more and more coming to see the problems that exist within the current management options, and no ma’am, this does not exclude employees of the BLM. There are people within this agency that understand more than most will ever know just how bad the situation is for these horses and burros. They could have given up and just quit when they realized this, but they didn’t. They are still there doing what they can from where they are to HELP, not to HURT the horses and burros. And whether anyone chooses to believe it or not, I know personally that it is because of these very employees that several wild horses and burros were in fact saved from an early demise and I am not the only one who knows this. Willis, Ginger, Matt, Shirley Allen, and even Annie have known these individuals. We recognize the fact that the whole does not always represent the one.
      And yes, by the grace of God, the program is growing by leaps and bounds.
      As for Mr. Salazar having a table top meeting with the “top advocates”… This has been requested on several occasions. To my knowledge, such a meeting has not yet occurred. If I am wrong, please correct me because I would definitely like to see the minutes of said meeting. If I am right and it has not, and if it ever does happen, I can only hope and pray at this point that Willis Lamm is one of “top advocates” in attendance.
      T.

    • Oh, I forgot about one thing…
      “The concern for the horses at Fallon by advocates is to be admired and not critized.”
      Yes ma’am, you are correct – it should and it is admired. However, is is criticized – and rightly so – when the information reported by said advocates is incorrect.
      T.

    • sandra longley said

      OK. it has to be said, you don’t know Willis…but i know of Willis..He has stuck his kneck…way out there for the wild horses..alot further than any of us will ever do..on all frounts and he lives in the middle of this war-he is hounded blackmailed and threatened..true story..and still hands it to the powers that be..He and his wife are those “people that aren’t born everyday” they rescue adopt out and take in orphans..He is outspoken, plainspoken and full of common sense..whether you agree or not with him..he deserves our respect.

  7. Barb3000 said

    Lamm is right about going off across the country in to many directions. I belong to Americans Against Horse Slaughter AAHS but I am also in the fight against illegal immigration. I have been in this for a long time but when I post on any blog concerning this I have all my facts straight and up front. Unlike many posters who scream racist there are many more who know the facts in regard to the Arizona law that was just passed. They eat horse meat in Mexico and in other South American countries. I suspect that some of these states that want to open up horse slaughter plants may be looking at these people as customers for the meat. Illegal aliens were the people buying the horse meat in Florida until a lot of the black market secret horse slaughter places were shut down and a bill that is on the verge of being passed that would make killing horses in that state a felony. Our enemies like Sue Wallis read all the blogs and exploit any and everything they can.

  8. betty said

    While I deplore the actions of the BLM and of the helicopter round ups, I think it is unfair to tar all BLM personnell with the same brush. I recently attended an adoption event here in my home town and the three people from the BLM were knowledgable and concerned for the welfare of the horses. The Agency is misguided but there are people who work for the agency who truly do care for what is best for the horses. WE all know Salazar believes there are no truly wild horses and that our public lands have no place for the mustang. There are BLM personnell who echo that belief, but not all of them do.

    By the way I adopted a beautiful little yearling filly who was wild caught last November.

  9. betty said

    Actually one of the reasons I particularly like this blog, is because it is a non hysterical and factual view of what is happening. I agree that the overly emotional hysteria I see on some sites is only playing onto the hands of the anti horse people. This is a very emotional issue, but to win we will need facts that will sway those who are not emotionally moved by our wild horses. And we will need common sense on our side too. For instance I was surprised to hear Ginger once state that helicopter gathers were in her view a more humane method than horse gathers. Not what I had expected, but she can see what works.

  10. Suzanne said

    I’m not sure a person could even be an advocate without emotion. I mean, that’s what it’s all about – compassion, an understanding that creatures other than humans can suffer, determination that comes from outrage at the way the horses are being treated – before, during and after – the gathers. It’s my emotions, feelings about horses that brought me here in the first place.

    There are many philosophical reasons to oppose what’s happening to our wild horses, but let’s face it, it’s the emotions they elicit that keeps us going, and going, and going…

    Having said that, there IS a difference between emotion and hysteria. It’s the hysteria we must overcome in ourselves if we ever hope to be credible and effective. When I think of the emails I’ve written to certain individuals but NEVER mailed, well, let’s just say that I’ve learned not to actually hit the send button when I am THAT angry. LOL!

    Researching before spreading something far and wide isn’t lack of emotion – it’s CONTROL of those emotions that we MUST manage to do. It’s hard. It’s damn hard sometimes, but necessary if we are to actually help the horses over the long term. That and countering the disinformation with FACTS, not cussin’ contests.

    We also must remember that communicating accurately with a keyboard is so difficult as to be almost impossible. So easy to take things wrong and jump to false conclusions. It’s all to easy to be critical even of another advocate if you don’t have ALL the facts – and most of the time we don’t have ALL the facts. We really ARE all in this together even if we have different “styles.” We have to keep that in mind before criticizing. WE could be the one that’s misinformed after all.

    As the famous quotation goes, “We must all hang together, or we shall surely hang separately.”

    Love y’all!

  11. Ok… the emotion thing… It’s not meant in the meaning of “don’t have any emotion at all”…
    What it means is to not have an emotional outburst every 5 seconds and not to allow emotions to cloud your judgement to the point that you can’t see anything except the object of your emotional fixation.
    T.

  12. Carrol Abel said

    There is no question that emotion drives all of us to fight for the wild ones. I have been involved for 14 years now and would have fallen by the wayside after year one without emotion to drive me on. The weakness comes when we allow emotion to call the shots, when we react before we think it through, when we listen or read with our minds pointed in one direction only. Have I ever been guilty? Darned tootin! We all have. We must continue to let our emotion push us forward. But we have to remember that our minds need to take the lead.

    Make no mistake – it’s a beast of a battle we’re fighting here. To my knowledge, this is the firt time we’ve come so close to making a difference since Velma Johnson. Let’s do our best not to give the opposition any ammunition. Thanks for the reminder Willis.

    Linda, Willis, T., or anyone else interested – I’m ready for teamwork, investigations, etc. Lets get it together!! Maybe an invitation only google group is in order.

  13. LOUIE COCROFT said

    I HAVE TO ADD A COMMENT–THERE IS A POSTER THAT I HAVE SEEN WITH AN EAGLE ON IT. IT READS “DO NOT MISTAKE MY COMPASSION FOR WEAKNESS”. I THINK THAT APPLIES TO US.

  14. LOUIE COCROFT said

    LET’S KEEP THEM BUSY READING OUR BLOGS–THEY ARE VERY ENTERTAINING.

  15. LOUIE COCROFT said

    I DO THINK THAT A “TO DO” LIST HELPS A LOT. THERE IS A GREAT DEAL TO READ AND ABSORB AND A LOT OF LETTERS TO WRITE AND THERE ARE PEOPLE TO CALL. ONLINE NEWSPAPERS JUST BEGGING FOR COMMENTS. WHERE BEST TO DIRECT YOUR ENERGY? WE HAVE TO HAVE A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH. ROUND-UPS NEED TO BE HALTED. THE HORSES AND BURROS HAVE BEEN TAKEN FROM LAND WHERE THEY RIGHTFULLY BELONG. THAT NEEDS TO BE HAMMERED OUT–BIG TIME. THERE NEEDS TO BE A HUGH CHANGE IN THE MANNER THAT HERDS ARE MANAGED. AT THE SAME TIME, PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE BATTLE FRONT NEED SUPPORT–ANY THAT WE CAN GIVE. MEANWHILE, THE SLAUGHTER PEOPLE ARE RAMPING UP AND JUST WAITING. KEEPS US ALL PRETTY BUSY.

    • Louie, I completely agree. I will be thinking more on this today – a “to do list” for specific items. Then, maybe we can all come together and talk about “assignments” of some sort?
      What do you guys think?
      T.

    • All,
      Don’t forget… IPSMB still needs our help. The goal was right at 60% yesterday. It’s gone past deadline but Karen was able to get hay & get everyone fed Monday. She says the check won’t hit the bank until tomorrow LOL.
      T.

  16. Anna said

    Willis Lamm wrote: While advocates are in an uproar over nonexistent shooting of foals or nonexistent shipping of horses to Mexico by BLM, the bad guys get the spotlight directed away from them for a while and can go about unchallenged.

    Anne’s comment: The BLM did “shoot 2 foals…one was named: Hope the Calico Colt; alot of people think Hope the Calcio Colt “perished in her pen due to lack of sustinance;
    acutally Hope the Foal was “shot ! @

    ps I say this: I say if a Foal born @ Fallon is too weak to stand up and Nurse (for any reason): I say this:

    I say the BLM lets the foal “perish” because the BLM does not bring milk;

    and if a foal doesn’t get milk within 12 -24 hours of being born;

    the foal perishes…so why doens’t the BLM nurse the foals with bottle?

    not enough Staff ! Foals do not even get counted as ever having been born

    if they perish before 4 months old

    No one knows how many foals perished!

    • sandra longley said

      The kindest most humane thing to do with the 2 colts with the laminitis/seperating hooves, was to put them down, allowing an animal to suffer because we cannot stand to make the decision is the worst of crimes..as hard as it may be to understand, a shot by a “qualified” person who knows where to place a bullet, is the fastest,and has the least suffering involved for the animal, having held my horses heads in my lap while they are euthanized, I can tell you-there is suffering as they fight that feeling of being suffocated, some fight it more than others. The horses in this case are Wild Animals, and draw no comfort from human beings at this point-we are predators in their eyes. Following that train of thought-the approach of a humane being, trying to help a downed horse is in their eyes-like facing an attack by a predator-not a savior-so you have to keep that in mind as you consider, treatment, feeding eccetera..which is why we keep coming back to ending these massive roundups of this many horses at one time. and most especially rounding up mares at the time of year when they are pregnant and will be foaling in the pens..you can’t help them…because in fact, they are wild and it severely limits what you can do.

    • sandra longley said

      In relationship to the foals not getting milk when the dams die during foaling. Those foals need to get colostrum, the mares first milk contains those antibodies that a foal needs to survive, an alternative is an IV blood transfusion, just milk will not do it-then they need to be fed every 2 hours around the clock for at least the first month, to prevent them from getting diareah from overloading their gut with milk, a foal is constantly nursing its mother in the first days, it is psycological as well as phsyicalogical..if they have a tummy ache or emotional stress they go to the mares bag..It is not enough to just consider their nutrional needs..they need companionship..unless you can commit that kind of time and effort..or find a nurse mare that will accept an orphan, don’t even make the attempt.

  17. Anna said

    PS The ONLY Entity I know of who can actually “halt and stop the BLM Wild Mustang And Burro Roundups is:

    The United States Congress; only they can erase and rewrite the Laws!

    I have a meeting with my Rep. soon !
    (to show him pix of “downed mustangs NOT begin attended to or given hay! !

    • sandra longley said

      Most horses when in pain will not eat or drink, in fact they have to be given fluids IV to keep them hydrated, water being more important than food, a human or an animal can survive alot longer without food than water..feeding a downed horse can complicate problems by causing compaction, and colic as well as choke. It is great you are meeting with your representitive, that is what we need to be doing, focusing our attention on stopping the roundups and finding a better way to manage the wild horses..the devil is in the details..And that is a frustration to all of us.

  18. LOUIE COCROFT said

    THE STING OPERATION THAT WILLIS MENTIONED–WHERE WAS THAT POSTED? WHAT SHOULD ADVOCATES HAVE DONE? THIS IS ANOTHER POINT. THERE IS SO MUCH GOING ON THAT THERE NEEDS TO A SCOUT WATCHING ALL OF THE WEBSITES. YOU CAN BE WATCHING 3 OR 4 AND MISSING SOMETHING SOMEWHERE ELSE. THE WILD HORSE FOES ARE COLD BLOODED AND ARROGANT, TO BE SURE, BUT THEY DO HAVE THEIR ACHILLES HEEL.
    OUR LOVE FOR THESE ANIMALS IS OUR STRENGTH. THERE IS NOTHING MORE POWERFUL.

  19. LOUIE COCROFT said

    LET’S ALL PRAY FOR OLE OLSEN TO HAVE AN EPIPHANY

  20. Linda said

    Tufts University in Massachusetts is holding a two-day symposium on the changing relationships between horses and humans this weekend. Makes me wish I was visiting my home state so I could attend. Tufts has an excellent reputation for thorough, fair-minded research, and I’ll be very interested in reading their report.

    http://www.telegram.com/article/20100512/NEWS/5120387/1116?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+wildhorsepreservation+%28American+Wild+Horse+Preservation+Campaign%29

  21. LOUIE COCROFT said

    I THINK SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY HELPFUL IS DISCUSSING THE COMMENTS ON ROUND-UPS AND COMING TOGETHER IN GOOD RESPONSES TO THEM. IT ESPECIALLY HELPS WHEN PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE IN THOSE AREAS SHARE THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND INFORMATION. I LOVE SOUNDING BOARDS AND BRAINSTORMING SESSIONS–MAKES FOR GOOD AND POSITIVE LETTER WRITING.

  22. Hanah said

    I love Horses … They are all my life .

  23. Sally said

    I love Horses … they are all my life. But it`s very expensive hobby . Aww seriuosly very evpensive.

  24. Sushi said

    Watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ7XOU – how can they do something like this . They are monsters . What horses do to them 😦 Cant undarstand this …

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