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Adobe Town & Salt Wells Wild Horse Removal 2010 – UPDATED

Posted by Texas Mustang Project on April 2, 2010


In light of new information received today, I pulled this post earlier until said information could be researched and verified. Now I am re-posting the original information along with this new information with a word of caution…

The Adobe Town / Salt Wells HMA Gather is a very unique situation. Some of you may already know the history, but for those who don’t, allow me to explain. And please remember, this is for informational purposes only, but I do ask each of you to consider your opinions of this gather very carefully before proceeding with comments and petitions.

In 1979, the Rock Springs Grazing Association (RSGA) entered into an agreement with the BLM. In accordance with the 1971 WFRH&BAct, BLM is required to maintain the multiple use purposes of public lands. If BLM kept up their end of this deal efficiently and effectively, in return the RSGA would allow the wild horses to roam and graze on privately owned lands. This is the reasoning behind the “checkerboard pattern” of these HMAs. Not all of the 1.5+ million acres that these horses use are “public lands”.

The spirit of this agreement is to ensure that the lands are used for their intended multiple use purposes as set for by the 1971 WFRH&BAct. There should not be a domination of any one species on the lands; rather there should be a cohabitation and cooperation amongst the varied species.

In 1981, the RSGA sued the BLM, citing violations by the BLM of the 1971 WFRH&BAct, and they won. (Mountain States Legal Foundation v. Andrus No. C79-275K (D. Wyo. April 21, 1981)) 

FINDS The BLM has not removed a significant number of horses from the area from January 1, 1972, through September 1, 1976. Such inaction is clearly contrary to the Act and to Congressional mandate, and as such is unacceptable to this Court.

The court rules that the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) violated the Wild Free-Roaming Horses and Burros Act by failing to control the number of wild horses in BLM’s Rock Springs District. A dramatic increase in the wild horse population in the district has placed excess demand on grazing lands which upsets the ecological balance in violation of the Act. Since BLM had not removed a significant number of horses from the area between 1972 and 1976, the court orders BLM to remove all excess horses.

 

As a result:

NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS ORDERED that the Motion for Partial Summary Judgment filed by and on behalf of plaintiffs be and the same is hereby granted; it is

 

FURTHER ORDERED that the Rock Springs District office of the Bureau of Land Management shall within one year from the date of this Order remove all wild horses from the checkerboard grazing lands in the Rock Springs District except that number which the Rock Springs Grazing Association voluntarily agrees to leave in said area; it is

 

FURTHER ORDERED that the Rock Springs District office of the Bureau of Land Management shall within two years of the date of this Order remove all excess horses from within the Rock Springs District; it is

 

FURTHER ORDERED that excess as defined in this Order and the Act means that the wild horse population exceeds the number deemed appropriate by a final environmental statement. In the absence of such a statement excess means that the number of horses exceeds the number present in the same area at the time the Act was passed; it is

 

FURTHER ORDERED that each party is to bear their own costs. Dated this 13th day of March, 1981.

 

BLM complied with the court’s rulings, and the excess horses were removed until the populations were at AML.

Basically what this all boils down to is this: Without the agreement between the RSGA and the BLM, these horses would no longer have an HMA because of the checkerboard pattern – one acre here owned privately, the next acre there being public, and so on and so forth. These herds would be zeroed out because there would not be conjoined sufficient acreage to maintain them.

The cautioning part of this information is also pretty simple. If the RSGA decides that they do not want to continue this agreement any longer – for reasons that do not legally have to be explained because of the private ownership of the lands – then they may choose to terminate said agreement and thereby rid themselves of any further conflict resulting from the wild horses’ presence.

This of course would be a horrible situation for the wild horses in this area because the BLM would have no choice in the matter but to zero out these HMAs.

I think that this situation is one that we could all learn a great deal from. The RSGA is in fact a Grazing Association. And yet, they have found a way to cooperate and cohabitate with the wild horses. They hold the BLM to the letter of the law, and they have the backing and organization to do it effectively. They don’t want the horses to be totally eradicated from the lands. They want the multiple use purposes of the laws to be upheld. They want the ranges to remain healthy and balanced so that they can sustain life of all forms, not just their own interests.

Additionally, in August, the 2003 Consent Decree was signed by the Attorney General for the State of Wyoming, and the Assistant Attorney General, Environmental & Natural Resources Division, United States Department of Justice regarding reducing wild horse populations in Wyoming to the AML. This out-of-court settlement was executed through the U.S. District Court. Terms of Agreement to be completed to maintain compliance with Wyoming Consent Decree include:

  1. If BLM determines through its inventory and projected reproduction rates that the wild horse population are likely to exceed AML in the following Fiscal Year, the BLM shall request funds to reduce the population to AML by December 15 the next budget cycle year.
  2. If the BLM fails to reduce the number of wild horses to AML by the required date, the State may petition the court to compel the BLM to do so.

Case in point: In 2007, the White Mountain HMA and Little Colorado HMA had 725 excess horses.  Earlier in 2007, the BLM had sent a letter to the WY Governor indicating that the BLM preferred to delay WY gathers until next summer because of drought / wildfire emergency gathers that needed to be completed in Nevada.  The WY Attorney General sent a letter stating that they would ask the court to enforce the Consent Decree unless mutual agreement was reached within 30 days. And the result of this is:

The White Mountain & Little Colorado HMAs Gather of November 2007

To summarize, if they so choose, the State of Wyoming can force the BLM to conduct gathers according to the AMLs set for each HMA should that HMA’s AML be on the high end or above said AML.

This is not to say that the State of Wyoming would rather not have wild horses on its public or private lands, rather that the State of Wyoming would like to have healthy lands with a balanced ecosystem. They as well support the multiple use purposes of the 1971 WFRH&BAct.

I do not put forth any of these statements lightly. I do not endorse any one particular entity, nor do I speak on their behalf. I only speak as to what I see at this point in time and what I see is this: There is a better way. And though it may have its flaws, the 2003 Consent Decree and the agreement between BLM and RSGA seem to be at least heading in the right direction. Rather than combating the BLM and the gather itself, I suggest we look further and deeper into this situation and regard it as a very unique learning opportunity that may not come our way again.

T.

The following are other sources of information related to this situation:

Rock Springs Field Office
 280 Highway 191 North
Rock Springs, Wyoming 82901
Rock_Springs_WYMail@blm.gov
http://www.blm.gov/wy/st/en/info/NEPA/rfodocs/at-sw2010.html
 
Excerpt from the ROD and Approved Rawlins RMP Appendix 12
Page 3:Land use plans and the decisions that they generate are dynamic, adjusting in response to changing environmental conditions or new information. With respect to horses in Wyoming, this has resulted in the 16 HMAs currently recognized in Wyoming. These 16 areas consist of 3,664,002 acres of public land, 154,737 acres of land owned by the State of Wyoming, and 846,243 acres of privately owned lands. The 16 areas still vary in size and land ownership, although not to the extent that they once did. Particularly worthy of note is the significant amount of private land now included within designated HMAs. Much of the private acreage consists of land owned or controlled by the Rock Springs Grazing Association of southwestern Wyoming. It has made its lands available to an agreed-on number of wild horses since 1979. Without access to those lands, approximately 1.5 million acres of adjoining and commingled public lands would be unavailable for inclusion in HMAs. This would, in effect, eliminate one-third of the free-roaming horses in Wyoming. The current, combined population objective (AML) for wild, free-roaming horses in Wyoming is 3,263, which is 18 percent more than it was in 1980. Without the access to the private lands noted above, the combined AML would be only 2,038.As noted above, an effective breeding population of 100 horses is necessary for maintaining a genetically viable herd of wild horses. In Wyoming, 9 of the 16 HMAs do not have AMLs that would indicate genetically stable long-term populations. However, wild horse herds in these HMAs are usually part of a larger metapopulation in adjacent HMAs. The metapopulation is the entire gene pool available to a specific herd.Page 5:In the 30 years since the Act was passed, the following has occurred in the State of Wyoming:

  • The average herd size has increased from 147 to 197.
  • The area of public land available for use by horses has increased slightly since 1980.
  • The area of private land occupied has decreased from 2.5 million to 846,243 acres.
  • The area of private land available for legal use has increased from 0 to 846,243 acres.
  • Of the 16 herds, 14 are parts of metapopulations greater than 300.

The same trends that are described for the State of Wyoming also occurred in the RMPPA. In 1971, an estimated 435 horses subject to management under the Act occupied 2,116,095 acres in six areas. Today, an estimated 1,540 horses subject to management under the Act occupy approximately 929,000 acres in three areas.

It should be noted that the BLM has routinely removed excess and stray horses from the range since 1978. During that period, more than 27,000 horses have been removed from Wyoming rangelands and placed through the BLM’s Adopt-a-Horse-or-Burro program; yet the population still exceeds 6,000 animals. This is an important indicator that BLM’s management of the horses does not imperil the cornerstone principle of the Act—a thriving ecological balance.

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89 Responses to “Adobe Town & Salt Wells Wild Horse Removal 2010 – UPDATED”

  1. SNAKE /SALT RIVER BASIN PLAN FINAL REPORT, WYOMING WATER BASIN PLANNING PROGRAM, WYOMING WATER DEVELOPMENT COMMISSION
    http://waterplan.state.wy.us/plan/snake/finalrept/final.html
    Desert Dust, One of the Most Famous Wild Horses of the Century…
    http://www.blm.gov/wy/st/en/field_offices/Rawlins/wh/desertdust.html
    Rawlins Field Office NEPA Documents
    http://www.blm.gov/wy/st/en/info/NEPA/rfodocs.html
    Rawlins RMP
    http://www.blm.gov/wy/st/en/programs/Planning/rmps/rawlins.html
    State of Wyomoing NEPA Documents
    http://www.blm.gov/wy/st/en/info/NEPA/documents.html

    T.

    • This situation provides a good illustration as to some of the problems facing wild horse management. Apart from some possibly skewed data about which we could argue, the fact remains that some HMAs have some significant management issues that rely on cooperation between BLM and private landowners and permittees for herds to remain. The checkerboards are just that and the horses must cross (and will graze on) private lands in order to travel their entire assigned ranges.

      Here’s where my perspective and BLM’s seem to depart.

      First, I have to accept that removals will remain a tool in BLM’s tool box but I don’t agree that roundups should be the primary (and in some instance the only) tool used. Off the top of my head I can think of three more humane and less costly options to satisfy some of the public / private conflicts.

      First I believe that anyone using public lands for commercial purposes should pay fees based on prevailing market standards. Those fees can be used to maintain thriving ecological balance and BLM could create a system of offsets to reduce fees for permittees who conversely have publicly owned animals grazing on their private lands. After all, fair is fair.

      Secondly, many of these livestock operators have pretty good livestock handling skills. After watching Calico, I’d trust horses to some of these guys (selectively) over what BLM is currently doing. Private lands ranchers could provide a sort of mini Winecup-Gamble management service. It would put a little money in their pockets and save the taxpayers a bundle.

      In my neck of the woods, if a large bunch of horses camp out on a legitimate livestock operator’s property and measurably impact him, we send out cow hay, supplements, water, whatever to try to keep the horses’ impact on the operator “net zero.”

      Every time a rancher is seriously impacted by horses due to BLM’s lack of ability or responsiveness it’s a black eye for the horses. Then when BLM overreacts and does something like Calico, it’s worse than a black eye.

      Bottom line is everyone has to get away from tunnel vision thinking, identify the fundamental problems and address those problems with a bit more cooperation and creativity than we’ve been experiencing recently.

      To me the biggest obstacle to achieving such results is that neither the livestock associations or the horse advocates trust BLM, and BLM is who we all have to deal with. So until BLM gets a new set of marching orders from “on high,” the best we can do is continue to infuse rationally based solutions into the national dialogue and hope that some of them gain some traction.

      • Yep, and we will keep doing this and maybe our solutions will begin to have more credibility as we go on. But the fact remains we are so pressed for time that we need change now. Moratoriums for wildlife often encompass enough time to do studies and implement new management. That has been my experience over decades of wildlife advocacy before computers. We need that time and for the present management to be stopped long enough to do what has not been and prevent what BLM is doing; removing the wild herds from the wild permanently. mar

    • sandra longley said

      http://wildhoofbeats.blogspot.com/2010/02/wildhorses-blm-targets-wyoming-next.html
      this is from an individuals prospective who has been following herds and photographing since 2004, is familiar with the terrain and forage

    • sandra longley said

      video of the horses,the land and winter condition.
      I would like to add the fact that we are having to make these comments BEFRE the final EA..And given my experience in researching the calico complex-is that we will be given information that will not match the final EA..As a matter of fact I did not learn the unvarnished truth about the calicos until I read the WWPs lawsuit..where ever they found that information is where we need to be looking..it is certainly not in the obvious places. I do not want to be fooled–twice…so lets not take anything at face falue

      • I definitely agree about the “face value” part. We won’t know until what seems like “the last minute” what all of the facts are, and even then we won’t know all of the facts simply because we are not there in person. But on the off chance that what we are looking at here is something that could possible turn into a really bad outcome for the horses should these agreements be voided, I don’t want to push in the wrong direction. I would rather learn about situation as much as possible, and then take the approach of diplomacy vs. demanding.
        T.

      • sandra longley said

        Just thought I’d post this interesting tidbit since there are so many gray horses on this HMA.
        White Horses and History
        White horses have had a special place in ancient history—according to Herodotus, they were held as sacred animals in the Achaemenid court of Xerxes the Great (ruled 485-465 BC).

        White horses are associated with the Pegasus myth, the unicorn in the Babylonian Gilgamesh epic and many other elite and magical associations. White horses are dark haired when born, but the hair color gradually fades and turns completely white at about 6-8 years of age. A large proportion of them develop skin discolorations, with speckling or large red patches known as ‘blood marks’. If they have normally pigmented skin, the horse will appear gray to gray-white.

        Recent study of the genetic background of white (or gray) horses indicates that all gray/white horses inherited a gray-causing mutation from a common ancestor, thought to have been an Arabian horse, at least 1,000 years ago. The persistence of this mutation was almost certainly a result of human selection. Horses with this gray-causing gene are found in Arabian horse, Lipizzaner stallion, Shetland pony, and Icelandic pony populations
        Also gray horses do better in desert heat, they reflect rather than absorb the heat.

      • sandra longley said

        http://www.newwest.net/index.php/city/article/adobe_town_is_a_special_place/C95/L95/

        this article discusses the wilderness area at adobe Town, the energy developments planned, the wild horses, and prehistoric horse remains found there..

    • sandra longley said

      The Adobe Town and Salt Wells Herd Management Areas (HMAs) are the largest freeroaming
      wild horse populations in Wyoming.
      In 1999, BLM estimated over 11,000 wild horses spanned their ranges. Today, they number 1,000 or less – a loss of 90% of the herds in less than ten years.
      In 2004, they became the focus of a new population census and counting technique, which was conducted in partnership between BLM and the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS).
      The combined methods used between BLM and USGS increased the actual wild horse populations seen in the aerial surveys by as much as 86%. As a result of these “projected” population highs, more round ups were scheduled.
      In the last three years, BLM has reported wild horse numbers have ranged from 860 to over 3,000. The populations BLM reported to the public never matched USGS population reports one time throughout the entire three-year study.
      In 2003, BLM reported 1,947 wild horses were removed during three separate round ups but USGS reports 2,350 wild horses were removed in just one August round up alone.
      In 2005, BLM reported 1,900 wild horses could be found in the HMAs. In just two years, BLM has reported removing 2,200 wild horses – more than the entire population was reported to be when they began. The last direct count of wild horses was in April 2007, where 763 wild horses were actually seen in both HMAs.
      In Adobe Town, Salt Wells and the areas “outside” their boundaries, round ups have been conducted 8 times in 8 years.
      According to USGS, BLM had no records available of separate wild horse reproduction or mortality rates, despite almost 40 years of “management” of the largest herds in Wyoming.
      Though BLM reported no wild horses have been removed from the Adobe Town HMA since August 2005, the National Program Office has reported a decline in populations.
      460 wild horses are now “missing” from what populations were reported to be prior to the January 2007 round ups. USGS has cited one reason for these lower populations may be attributed to wild horses dying between the December 2006 and the April 2007 surveys.
      -All information taken from-
      “The Wild Horses of Wyoming, Adobe Town/Salt Wells-A Tale of Tallies”, C.R. MacDonald, June

      • sandra longley said

        If we have learned anything from the calicos-it should be to question the counting ability of the BLM..That may be the real question here..One year they are undercounted the next year they are over counted..and altho i recognise the need and the benifit to having complexes..it seems to accerbate their inability to get close to an accurate count..and since there have been continual roundups on these areas..why are the counts so off? and where is the use of PZP

        • Sandra, Cindy MacDonald has consistently shown that BLM will manipulate numbers. This has been done often and at the expense of the herds. They have not been forth coming with FACTS. They have nothing to gain by telling us anything. GAO consistently criticizes the lack of science but BLM does what it plans and the horses are removed and many times have not been accounted for fully after removal. mar

        • Sandra Goodwin said

          I’m not far from the Adobe Town/Salt Wells area and was wondering if the BLM did airial counts or via other methods. I ask because I know a pilot we could probably hire to do our own photo airial count.

          • Wow! That is a very good idea!!! I don’t know for certain how the BLM there does there census taking, but it’s worth a shot. A project like this would take some very detailed planning… Herd movements, seasonal locations, identification techniques, etc… But it’s one that I would definitely be willing to help out on…
            T.

          • Wow again, that would be great as there are people wanting to do a census this year and any aerial help in the big spaces would be wonderful. It is hoped we can create a database for all our wild ones and a file on every horse. Not for BLM use but for the protection, preservation and future selective management of the herds. An independent survey must be done to professional and scientific standards or else it will not be taken seriously as Willis has said to me. Please be sure that you do your research and first and have some credentials behind you. I would like to be involved and help any way I can since these horses need to be kept from further harassment and removals by BLM. You can get my email from Tracie. Please contact me. mar

          • sandra longley said

            I am curious since you live in the area- are those checkerboard areas actually inhabited? It is my understanding that lawsuit is only valid until 2013, and how is it that in 1990 there were 11,000 horses there? I need to fill in the blanks..The videos of the horses in winter showed them to be in great shape. Perhaps we should start prparing to have this readdressed in 2013.

          • Sandra Goodwin said

            As for the airial count…..I’m not a scientist but would be glad to hook up the folks with the credentials with a pilot.
            When I say I’m near the area…that’s WY speak. I’m north of Rock Springs. I do not think the checkerboard area has people living there. Correct me if I’m wrong but I think it’s used mostly for grazing.
            I do know that big energy had their eye on this area for development.

          • That would be great! We’ll get all of the details together soon I think… Some of us have already started looking into it, getting maps and herd statistics. Sounds awesome!
            T.

      • sandra longley said

        http://www.blm.gov/wy/st/en/info/newsletter/08feb/06wildhorses.html
        In BLMs own words…VOODOO math!

  2. And…
    Rawlins RMP 2008, Appendix 12 – Managing Wild Horse Populations
    http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wy/programs/planning/rmps/rawlins/feis/appendix.Par.92390.File.dat/Appendix12_Managing-Wild-Horses.pdf

    T.

  3. Great Divide Resource Management Plan Rawlins Field Office, Wyoming
    http://www.blm.gov/rmpweb/application/index.cfm?rmpid=28

    T.

  4. LOUIE COCROFT said

    LET’S TAKE THIS ONE APART AND SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE INSIDE.

  5. Tracie, we were given a tip last fall that BLM was removing 1000 horses from the Rock Springs/Green River area. It was unannounced and no one heard anything or knows if and where horses were taken. Have you any info on this? mar

  6. It was October , 1009 and it was basically Green River. I had done some research and I had info back then, let me see what else I still have. mar

  7. I posted a blog saying the roundup was Green River, unannounced. 1000 horses. Is that even an HMA? I believe it was a part of Flaming Gorge Recreational Area, South of Rock Springs, between the Gorge on the West and 191 on the east. I remember looking the area up. Some man had posted at Cloud twice that this was up coming and off the schedule. How can you find out about that??? mar

  8. Is that USFW? That may be the trail to follow… Who administers Flaming Gorge Recreational area? Maybe BLM… but there is HMA on that side of 191 is there? mar

  9. These were scheduled. The one we were warned about was in the area I disscribed above and not on the schedule…mar

    • Yea, just now got the freakin’ email to come through… Ugh, technology. OK, gimme just a second or two… Get back to ya on that one…
      T.

    • Flaming Gorge National Recreation Area (NRA) – a part of the Ashley National Forest
      The Flaming Gorge NRA is located in the northeast corner of Utah and the southwest corner of Wyoming. It is South of I-80, between Green River and Rock Springs, Wyoming and extends into the Uintah Mountains towards Vernal, Utah.
      There’s the Pilot Butte Wild Horse Scenic Loop Tour. To begin the loop from Rock Springs, take exit 104 off Interstate 80 to U.S. 191 and continue north 13 miles to County Road 14. Turn left and head 2.5 miles to County Road 53, also on your left. From Green River, exit Interstate 80 at Flaming Gorge Way, turn left onto Trona Drive at the next intersection and follow it north as it turns into a dirt road and passes beneath the interstate.
      Still looking…
      T.

  10. JL5289 said

    SERIOUSLY! Are you joking!!!??? This isn’t about whether or not the BLM is manipulating the numbers! This is about the cooperation that is taking place between them and the private land owners that benefit the horses. And what exactly do they have to gain by not telling us the real numbers??? Answer me this, isn’t it even remotely possible that they are not giving out the right numbers because they don’t know the right numbers? I’m not saying that they have never lied before and they’ll never lie again because we all know that they have and they will. The point is that they don’t really know what the actual numbers are because they can’t go out there on the ranges that are so huge that they encompass 100’s of square miles and there are so many horses that they can’t possibly count each and every one of them. When you’ve got that many horses – say like the way it was in Calico, about 2500-3000 depending on who’s count you go by – there’s going to be a big margin of error.
    What my point is is that you guys are still using these conspiracy theories and still sending the BLM to the guillotine when the real issue here is that Tracie is trying to tell you about a possible learning opportunity for a better way to do this whole blasted thing! But you people all have your blinders on and all you can see is the same thing you’ve always seen, the supposed cloak and dagger worn by the BLM. Can’t you look past your own same old ways yourselves and try to see a better way?
    I’ve been watching this blog and Cloud’s blog and even that woman Elyse’s blog for a couple of months now. (Don’t even get me started on her, that woman is just ridiculous!) I don’t comment because I don’t see that there was any point before now but today I see that this is a lost cause for sure. If you can’t stop for one second and look in the mirror and see for yourselves what you are doing then there really is no hope for the horses.
    You people are the ones who are supposed to be helping the horses, and even when someone gives you a possible solution that just might work you still just want to burn the BLM on a pile of wood like some kind of lynch mob. If you are trying to help something wouldn’t it be a good thing to work WITH their stewards instead of trying to fight their stewards? Has it gotten you anywhere before? You think it has but it hasn’t. They are still rounding up horses aren’t they? If one way isn’t working then why don’t you try another way? I’ll tell you why. You all can’t see past your own prejudices against the BLM long enough to see that there just might be a way that is better that involves them. But because it involves the BLM and shows that they just might not be the criminals you all believe them to be, you won’t hear it. What sad, sad day for the horses.
    Wake up people! Take a hint! All of this name calling and bickering and conspiracy theories against the BLM is just useless. Open your eyes and start listening. You might end up doing it too late and you won’t like what you see.

    • Wow… Ok… So… Thank you for the support… And thank you for giving your opinion as that’s what this page is for – a place you can say what you think freely.
      I guess I just don’t feel like you have to be so harsh maybe? A lot of these “people” are good friends and are people who really do care about the horses and their outcomes. We’re all working for the same ultimate goal: better options for them. But we do try our best to accomplish this by diplomacy and conversations vs. irrational arguments.
      And there are a lot of us here who do try our best to work with the BLM. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn’t. But we still keep trying.
      I guess my response to your questions would be that yea, it’s possible that even they don’t know what the real numbers are, and yea, I see your point about the census methods. So my question back to you would be if you have any ideas on how they could do better? And yea, in Calico there were some pretty skewed numbers in the end, but I also see your point of how they could have been so far off given their census methods.
      I don’t believe that there is no hope for the horses. And yes, we are trying to help them. We’re not all perfect and none of us expect any of our peers to be perfect. We know this just isn’t possible. Yea, there are some of us who would like to burn the BLM on a pile LOL, but we know this to be an exercise in vanity. So we’re doing the best we can too. Its not always the best way or the best outcome, but we keep trying.
      On that note, I have to ask: do you have any possible solutions that you think could be effective, both in the Adobe Town / Salt Wells Creek proposed gather and the situation as a whole?
      T.

    • I think you are possibly creating a problem with people who are genuinely trying to find answers. We do not want to be jumping down each others throats as you are. Can You be reasoned with? I read someone who is angry at advocates. I respect Tracie for her diligence and her hard work. She attempts to find balance. She has had a strong influence on me. There are a number of people working on solutions and projects you are apparently unaware of. It is sad that you have not been able to inject some insight to people who may need it. I too think that advocates get very one sided at times. At least I have been working on possible outcomes and real ways to deal with the entire mess we are presented with. As for the Cloud blog, it has some excellent researchers and if you distill the information of the past 6 months it would educate anyone on the issues. The daily crowd there are good hearted people who have a right to their say. Elyse Gardner is at times overwhelmed by the horror she sees (my opinion). I just get tired of people who want to kick us around and act like we are all alike when we are not. We are a broad spectrum of people and we are all learning, all the time. We do cooperate with BLM and follow protocols that they do not respect. All the time. Are you not aware of how cooperative we all must be or else we may jeopardize the wild ones or the holding horses? Are you not looking at ‘us’ with prejudice and not seeing us accurately? See, have you made your point? Was it worthwhile?? I have to wonder. You might have taken a different tack and made a deeper impression if you had looked for more balance in your own viewpoint. We are not the problem. Failed policy and management and many dark deeds are the problem. BLM needs to be held accountable and we have stood up to them for decades, in the manner we were given to follow.

      If BLM does not know the right numbers there have been efforts to help them use better methods to get them with less margin for error, as is sited in the above info. As for me, looking past the ‘same old ways’ means not always wanting to be so cooperative with BLM after more than 50 years of fighting for the wild herds. That is just me. To save wild horses on their range will take everyone’s efforts including yours. mar

    • sandra longley said

      And why don’t you tell us what it is that you personally are doing to help the horses??Really curious because we are putting out facts and figures here that require hours and hours of my personal time..Just what have you done lately??

    • sandra longley said

      I am going to tell you something JL-you could work for the BLM and not read nearly as much BLM documentation and plans as I have..but you could start by reading the USGS WH&B management plan 2002 amended 2004..BLM has excellent science provided to them, a management plan for population growth and arial surveys using double counting, and animal marking-which they say they have been doing in these HMAs..there are 67,000 employees in the BLM who get paid..now- not only am i paying their wages..but I have been taking serious time away from my own business to research their paperwork to try to get honest real figures to work from.. other people are taking their time and money selling their cars for crissakes to try to help the horses and get information out.
      I would fire someone immediately in my business if they were this incompetent..and if you don’t agree..maybe you just need to do more research..the deeper I get into this the more like dumpster diving it is

    • sandra longley said

      JL..a parting thought..most of us post using our names. We have nothing to hide and do not apologise for our dedication, our thoughts, or our comments.We even disagree with each other.We have refrained from attacking individuals within that organization but have valid reasons..based on research as well as conflicting statements from that organization. to question what they say-and will continue to do so..as it is the responsability of every citizen to make sure government..works.

  11. LOUIE COCROFT said

    THIS CENSUS, INDEPENDENT OR OTHERWISE, SHOULD BE FUNDED BY OUR TAX DOLLARS. THE PRIVATE STOCK CONTRACTORS ARE HIRED WITH OUR TAX MONEY–THEN SO SHOULD INDEPENDENT CENSUS SURVEY TEAMS. I CONTINUALLY CAMPAIGN FOR THIS.

    • The census needs to be done by people willing to do it now. It just needs to be done right. If money can be found from grants then that will be great. There is little time, Louie. “Teams” may be a group of citizen advocates, simply. I am turning all my attention to this now. We should be off blog… anyone interested in this please ask Tracie for my email… contact me. mar

  12. LOUIE COCROFT said

    TRACIE, THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION–WHAT SOLUTIONS?

  13. LOUIE COCROFT said

    I HAVE NOT SEEN OR HEARD OF ANYONE WILLING TO LISTEN TO OR WORK WITH THE ADVOCATES. IF SO, WHO? WHEN? WHERE? WHEN HUMANE OBSERVERS ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED ONTO HOLDING FACILITIES WHAT IS ANYONE TO THINK? MAR SAID IT RIGHT. ELYSE IS COMPLETELY OVERWHELMED BY WHAT SHE HAS OBSERVED. I COMPARE HER TO A WAR CORRESPONDENT. HAVING TO DOCUMENT WHILE NOT BEING ABLE TO DO ANYTHING TO STOP IT. I THINK SHE HAS HANDLED HERSELF WITH MUCH GRACE AND COMPOSURE, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED.

    • We have to continue to work together in the field with the horses. The time has come. Know the horses. Matt said this to me recently. You have to know the animals you want to manage on the land where they thrive and belong. We have each other. So many want to do something to help.

      Yes, Elyse and Laura and Craig have been willing to take the brunt to tell the world what has been going on. mar

    • Louie,
      Sorry I’ve taken so long to answer this one, needless to say, it’s been crazy.
      What I am about to say I don’t say lightly, and I do apologize for not getting the notes from my recent trip to Nevada posted yet. Again, it has been so crazy and we’ve all been “chasing our tails” so to speak, that it has just been almost too much. Anyhow…
      There are personnel among the BLM and WH&B Programs that are willing to work with advocates.
      I am one such advocate. Dean Bolstad, Don Glenn, John Neill, Lili Thomas, Ed Roberson, all of these employees and I have talked at great length, and all have taken suggestions I have made into consideration and some suggestions have been implemented.
      It may come as a shock, and I don’t mean for it to be, but I have also talked at great length with Sue Cattoor. We have discussed better options for her personnel during the gather operations to minimize the amounts of stress placed on the horses. Sue has actually been very receptive to some of my suggestions, and has continued to correspond with me personally.
      T.

  14. LOUIE COCROFT said

    THERE ARE SOLUTIONGS–GOOD SOLUTIONS AND PEOPLE WHO KNOW HOW TO IMPLEMENT THEM. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY ARE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE GOVERNMENT “LOOP” AND THEREFORE NOT INCLUDED IN THE DISCUSSION. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO HERE–STOP THE WAR AND START THE PEACE TALKS. THERE HAS BEEN ENOUGH HARM DONE ALREADY. I AM PRETTY CERTAIN THAT WE ALL KNOW OF QUALIFIED PEOPLE WHO SHOULD BE BEING BROUGHT IN FOR CONSULTATION RIGHT NOW.

  15. LOUIE COCROFT said

    LAURA, I DIDN’T MEAN TO LEAVE OUT LAURA. SHE, TOO IS INCLUDED IN MY LIST OF “PEOPLE WHO MAKE A DIFFERENCE”.

  16. LOUIE COCROFT said

    MAR, I WASN’T THINKING SO MUCH OF GRANTS AS I WAS “REDIRECTED” WILD HORSE AND BURRO PROGRAM MONEY. DO WE HAVE AN UPDATED TALLY OF THAT YEARLY BUDGET? I WANT TO HAVE THE CORRECT FIGURES WHEN I WRITE TO OR TALK TO ANYONE.

  17. Louie, Like you said, no one has come forward to assist us. We are on our own. Redirected money is not here and now. BLM budgets are available at several blogs. Tracie may have it here, too. There is only so much to say on blog for now… BLM has repeatedly been given opportunity and incentive to improve the manner in which they gather information. They have ignored recommendations and requests. But information is the best way to make changes so we need to learn all we can. mar

  18. sandra longley said

    FYI..The BLM is trying to take the allotments away from WWP greenfire preserve..because they didn’t put cattle on them..but as i said before..thats why they call them the BLM and not the boy scouts of america..they must like getting bit by the snake…

  19. LOUIE COCROFT said

    SANDRA, YOU’RE BACK! I THOUGHT I HEARD YOU CLEAR OVER ON THE OTHER BLOG.

  20. LOUIE COCROFT said

    SURE DID! I THINK YOU CAME ON LATER THAN OCTOBER. GO OVER TO THE CLOUD BLOG AND LISTEN TO THIS INTERVIEW WITH CRAIG DOWNER–IT’S A VIDEO:
    Interview with Craig Downer, Wildlife Ecologist
    October 19, 2009

  21. sandra longley said

    Just saw a morning news program..Oil and energy companies donating to replacing 500 miles of barb wire fencing on private and public land..bottom strand with smooth wire so antelope can migrate..deer and elk can jump however fawns and elk calves still get managled by the barb wire..No mention of the horses being able to get through the fences..this is in the green river area..I am still ticked off about finding out the new fencing for allotments had fenced in some of the calico horses from traveling for food or water in their seasonal migrations. But thank you to the oil and energy companies for stepping up in this instance..Maybe someday if we get a lobbiest in Washington, and organise into a political force..we can get some concessions

  22. LOUIE COCROFT said

    SANDRA, I GUESS THAT FOR NOW, WE ARE THE LOBBIESTS. I THINK WE ARE PUTTING IN AS MUCH TIME–ALL TOTALED. THIS WHOLE PROCESS REMINDS ME OF TAKING A BURR OUT OF A HORSES’S MANE OR TAIL. YOU HAVE TO PULL THE HAIR AWAY FROM THE BURR.
    GO OVER TO THE WILD HORSE AND BURRO WARRIORS BLOG–THERE IS SOME VIDEO FOOTAGE OF BOTH RALLYS–D.C. AND LONDON. ON ONE OF THEM, MARIA SINGS AND PAUL PLAYS GUITAR. THINK YOU WILL ENJOY IT.

  23. LOUIE COCROFT said

    MAR, I USE THAT AS MY MANTRA. I AM A TAXPAYER. I WANT MY TAX MONEY TO BE USED AS IT SHOULD. PRIVATE CONTRACTORS ARE HIRED WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS FOR ROUND-UPS THAT WE ARE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO. PRIVATE INDEPENDENT CENSUS FIRMS SHOULD THEREFORE BE HIRED WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS TO GIVE US ACCURATE COUNTS OF ALL WILD HORSES AND BURROS IN THE WILD(ON OUR PUBLIC LANDS) AND IN HOLDING PENS. THIS IS WHAT ONE OF THE POINTS I MAKE WHEN I’M CAMPAIGNING. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED HOW MANY PEOPLE WHO ANSWER GOVERNMENT PHONES AGREE WITH ME.
    ANYWAY, I KNOW THAT WE NEED MONEY NOW, SO WE NEED TO SET UP A FUND OF SOME SORT. WITH THE CLOUD FOUNDATION AS WAS DONE FOR THE RESCUE FUND?
    THE FIGURE THAT I SAW FOR THE YEARLY WILD HORSE AND BURRO PROGRAM WAS APPROX. $75 MILLION, IF THE BUDGET REQUEST FOR THIS YEAR IS GRANTED. IS THAT IN THE BALL PARK?

  24. sandra longley said

    Having looked at the HMA maps-Only portions of the HMAs are checkerboard, Why do we think they could 0 out the herds? They state in the lawsuit,that they cannot exceed the number in 1971-Very True, the horses greatly benifit from the use of the checkerboard areas, but there is also a constant gathering of these horses, unlike other HMAs, because of the lawsuit..it has subjected these horses to a more constant control of the numbers..so how can they again be so far off, over and under? Hasn’t this HMA along with little book cliffs and the pryors been in a study control group?

    • tracielynnthompson@yahoo.com said

      Because if the privately owned lands are not part of the HMA, they would not have the sufficient amount of viable acreage required to support the herds in 1 continuous area, and therefore would zero out. Not all of the HMA acres are viable forage/water for the horses.
      T.

    • tracielynnthompson@yahoo.com said

      I’ll double check with Matt…
      T.

    • pryorwild said

      Hello,

      I am really happy to see all of the interesting perspectives on this issue. I am really happy to see that people are working to understand it as well. I’ve been fortunate enough to have some good discussions with different people following the day when I received my notification letter and map in the mail from the BLM. Following a discussion with Tracie, I am really excited to see this post and all of the great information she has pulled together here.

      I thought I’d come give some of my perspective in reply to your interesting comment. About 40% of the Salt Wells Creek HMA is privately owned land. It was really through the agreement with the private land owners that this HMA was even allowed to exist. As we’ve seen elsewhere, there are herd areas that were zeroed out due to the checker boarding that existed on them. If there was a reason for the private land owners to not want to cooperate with the BLM on this HMA anymore, then there really doesn’t seem to be anything that could stop them from taking their lands from the HMA. If this happened, there would be a significant portion of the HMA that consisted of islands of land that the horses could live on that are surrounded by land that the horses couldn’t live on. This would be near impossible to manage wild horses on, and so it is possible that the HMA could meet a fate similar to other herd areas with checker boarded land.

      So the AML of Salt Wells Creek HMA is really set in stone; it is 251 to 365 wild horses. The BLM has two big political reasons for keeping the population at AML: The agreements with local landowners as well as Wyoming’s consent decree. So the very relevant question is how many horses are on the Salt Wells Creek HMA? At Salt Wells Creek and adjacent Adobe Town, the BLM has worked with BRD to work on perfecting population estimation techniques. As you’ve alluded to, there have been mixed results from the surveys. There are a couple possible reasons why the estimations have not necessarily been consistent with projections based on estimated postgather populations. First off, we’re dealing with a huge area here. The combined area of the two HMAs is somewhere around 1.6 to 1.65 million acres. There is definitely the potential for significant error when counting this relatively small number of horses over such a big area. The Pryor Mountain Wild Horse Range is only 2 or 3% the size of these two HMAs combined. Second, the Salt Wells Creek and Adobe Town HMAs aren’t necessarily closed – There is known interchange between the two herds. It also sounds like there is the potential to freely move in and out of the HMAs. This type of movement can make consistent population estimations tricky. If this was all compounded over time, you can see how there is a really good possibility that there were a lot more horses out there than were expected. Also because of these situations, the BLM manages these two herds together as a complex; but there still is a unique AML for each HMA.

      I think the main thing to think about here is that the situation in the Salt Wells Creek and Adobe Town HMAs isn’t quite as simple as it may seem at first glance. This isn’t just about horses per acre or anything like that. These two HMAs, especially Salt Wells Creek, are involved in some very complex and sensitive multiple use issues. An obvious area of concern is that it is possible that the future of the Salt Wells Creek HMA could be significantly changed if agreements were ended. So it is possible, but in my opinion it is not probable – These agreements hinge on maintaining a specific herd size. The agreements and consent decree involved here really make it hard to not gather. Thus, this situation is tricky. If the wild horse population isn’t kept at AML, then the future of the Salt Wells Creek HMA would be uncertain as it could jeopardize relationships with the private land owners. This, combined with the consent decree, really makes it so that the wild horse population will definitely be managed. People are currently protesting the management of the herd, though; and this is where it gets tricky – For the herd to survive this political game, it seems as though it needs to be managed. This is definitely a situation that is well-worth understanding as it has a lot of potential lessons on such things as multiple use, the roles that local stakeholders can play in the management of wild horse herds, and the importance of good population estimation.

      Matt

  25. LOUIE COCROFT said

    WHAT OTHER WILDLIFE ARE IN WYOMING? DEER? I WONDER WHAT THEY DO WHEN OTHER GRAZERS OR BROWSERS GET ON PRIVATE LAND?

    • One project I have been following on ProngHorn has been to secure the right of way for them across private land because they migrate to and from summer grazing areas in Wyoming.. These wild life corridors are becoming the goal for many animals in need of connecting their seasonal habitats. Horses go from summer pastures to winter forage areas the same way. mar

  26. sandra longley said

    “FURTHER ORDERED that excess as defined in this Order and the Act means that the wild horse population exceeds the number deemed appropriate by a final environmental statement. In the absence of such a statement excess means that the number of horses exceeds the number present in the same area at the time the Act was passed; it is”
    So an environmental assesment can be provided in lieu of the AML to establish a viable amount of wild horses on the HMA.. I do not see a link to an environmental assesment yet

    • sandra longley said

      The BLM stated in the link above that in the fall of 2007 after the gather, they were at HMA in salt creek and Adobe, and that a “group” of mares had been pzp’d and released into salt creek and 2 others- I would like to see more specifics…how many mares, what are the stallion mare ratios…how many released at salt wells and how can these herds continue to double with the combination of PZP and gathers heavier than in any other HMAs.Are they only using AMLs or are they using the EA in conjuction with AMLs..Neither the lawsuit nor the consent decree has the ability or power to override the 1971 WH&B act-as is frequently acknowledged in the summary judgement.I will need to get to the full case and read it-which is where the evidence is contained as present to the court to fully understand the facts on the ground and “hope” i can do that by friday.

  27. LOUIE COCROFT said

    IT WOULD BE REALLY GOOD TO HAVE CRAIG DOWNER IN ON THIS DISCUSSION. HIS KNOWLEDGE OF WILDLIFE AND ECOSYSTEMS IS WELL RESPECTED. YOU ALL PROBABLY ALREADY KNOW THAT HE HAS BEEN WORKING IN SOUTH AMERICA ON THE ANDEAN TAPIR (CORRECT ME IF THAT ISN’T RIGHT). I HAVE LISTENED TO HIM ON RADIO SHOWS AND HE KNOWS HOW TO SET UP DESIGNS WITH NATURAL BOUNDRIES. HE SPOKE OF HERDS THAT ARE SELF-SUSTAINED. I WOULD LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT.

  28. LOUIE COCROFT said

    WOULD THIS BE A GOOD PLACE FOR ONE OF THOSE SANCTUARIES? SOME OF THAT GOVERNMENT MONEY THAT IS SUPPOSED TO GO TO ILLINOIS COULD GO TO WYOMING. I AM VERY INTERESTED IN “RESERVE DESIGN”. SOUNDS LIKE HERE WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO IMPLEMENT THAT AND WORK WITH THE RANCHERS.

  29. sandra longley said

    The USGS stated these herds have approx 16% reproductive rate-the BLM stated their reproductive rates at approx 26%..higher than the norm of 20%..I am going to ask for a better use of PZP on the mares to avoid these large regular gathers-the stress on the horses and the stress on the system in continually dumping too many horses to be adopted and the resulting lifetime in prisons or worse- for the rest of those horses

  30. sandra longley said

    I would like to acknowledge the benefits from the cooperative agreements between public private and state owned lands in the checkerboard areas of these HMAs.However I believe we can do better in the management of these horses, by making more use of PZP. In your documents and statements regarding the 2007 gather, you indicated you had pzp’d a “group” of mares, I would like to see the actual numbers and how many are released into these 2 specific areas. The continuing gathers on these HMAs are disruptive to the herds in a way the 1971 WH&B Act was meant to prohibit. Expecting these large numbers of horses you are gathering to be adopted is obscene, So you are expecting the taxpayer to carry the burden of a lifetime in holding facilities, as opposed to using our public lands-which we already pay for…In effect you are double dipping us for your failure to be good managers and use science that is available to you
    The USGS has stated that there is a 16% reproduction rate on these herds, and yet you state it is 26%. I ask, how can you be that far apart..these 2 areas have been a part of an intensive study by the USGS.
    I am in favor of using the method of the EA to determine the amount of horses that can utilize the land..I will be watching for the EA to come out..No matter all the consent decrees and summary judgements which I have read..you are still bound by the law passed by congress in 1971.
    I find it to be of historical significance that prehistoric remains of horses have been found at Adobe Town rim, and find the current horses there to be a living tribute to that history.

    respectfully submitted,
    Sandra Longley

    (this is a copy of the letter I sent for my scoping comments)

  31. sandra longley said

    http://eryngable.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/100809ogleasing.pdf

    This article is about the sales of public land within that checkerboard area. I read a significant amount of articles this morning discussing the pressure being put on the Adobe Town area to be developed for gas oil and oil shale and N Gas..locals and preservation groups have been holding alot of it up..This is a magnificent area I hope to see this summer…I signed up to help preserve it, this is another way we can help the horses..to keep their lands from being sold off.

    • Oil shale has never had a process developed that made it worth developing and it takes more water than the gold mine. It pollutes the water badly. It was abandoned because of the cost. Oil sands is not mentioned but is is the dirtiest process of all and pollutes the most and uses huge amounts of water. These are things the locals should fight as they would make their home area unlivable in a short time as has already happened in Wyoming.

      • sandra longley said

        A wonderful bi product of all this research on the wild horses is that I have been well educated on the ‘land use planning” involved in all these energy projects and mining leases and have changed my tune about fast tracking these projects..I have gone from being a supporter to being very wary..What could have been a good thing is turning into this centurys “gold rush”..The wild horse issue has led me to so much more..I couldn’t have said I was an activist before, just a very interested party, now I have become an activist.

  32. LOUIE COCROFT said

    SANDRA, YOU HIT RIGHT ON IT. I’VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT CHECKERBOARD–LAND SWAPS-LAND SALES. WE NEED TO GET THAT GOVERNMENT MONEY IN THERE AND GRAB SOME OF THOSE CHECKERBOARD SQUARES FOR THE HORSES. THERE MUST BE SOME WAY THAT MONEY COULD HELP THE RANCHERS AND THE HORSES. HOW MANY $MILLION WAS THAT IN THE REQUEST FOR FUNDS TO MOVE THEM TO THE EAST AND MIDWEST? WE’VE GOT A BETTER IDEA.

    • sandra longley said

      Unfortuneately Louie, the BLM is the one that has been selling the land off..We really need to put a stop to that

    • sandra longley said

      In Nevada they have done some good land swaps, but for some reason they NEVER mention the horses as one of the species that will benifit..In fact Soldier meadows is one of those…all those tours they conducted to show groups how the horses were destroying the water and land there..well come to find out..they had planned to put 800 cows there -AFTER_ the calico horses were removed..and you know i spent weeks reading all their scoping and NEPAs and ESs and NOWHERE did I find that fact mentioned..It came out in the WWP lawsuit..the WH&B person Ms. Eckle didn’t know that they were going to do that until the attorney told her in court..so where did that decision originate and how did WWP find that info? I am going to try to get ahold of Marvel to find out.

      • Sandra, I have been searching for a great article on Calico Complex by WWP Katie Fite. It had been linked at Cloud ad Elyse’s blogs..I had it up, also and somehow it seems to have disappeared. It was all a survey of the complex, about the violations of cattle leases, the horses movements, the water holes. It is wonderfully detailed as she surveyed the whole place. I will have to write to Elyse and ask her if she has a link to it still. We had it months ago. I will keep looking…mar

        • sandra longley said

          That would be great, I had to move on to the adobe town research-but i am not done with the Calico Complex-It keeps gnawing at me..Its an itch that needs scratching..

  33. LOUIE COCROFT said

    THIS WHOLE “ENERGY” PUSH IS AKIN TO THE ROBBER BARONS THAT WE ALL HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH ABOUT. WE NEED ANOTHER TEDDY ROOSEVELT. OUR PRESIDENT SHOULD REALLY DO SOME TALL THINKING. HOW HE IS VIEWED BY HISTORY RIDES ALOT ON THIS.

  34. LOUIE COCROFT said

    SOMEONE POSTED A COMMENT TELLING OF HOW THEY TAKE CARE OF THE BRUMBIES(IS THAT THE RIGHT WORD?) IN AUSTRALIA. SHE SAID THAT THEY BAIT TRAP THEM, AND WHEN THEY ADMINISTER THE ANTI-FERTILITY DRUG, THEY DO IT WITH DARTS, BUT THE PERSON DOING IT STAYS HIDDEN. IT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE WAY THEY TRANQUILIZE ANIMALS IN THE WILD. THE WHOLE PROCESS TAKES A VERY SHORT TIME AND VERY MUCH MINIMIZES STRESS TO THE ANIMALS. IT WOULD BE GOOD, ALSO, BECAUSE THE ANIMAL COULD BE MONITERED FOR A SHORT TIME TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT ALL WAS WELL BEFORE RELEASING.

  35. Linda said

    Thought I’d put these up in case any one wants to read a bit of rationality in this increasingly irrational country. Somebody finally bucked the BLM right off it’s pump-jack bronco – just hope it sticks!

    Check the comment from Bob Abbey. Bet he choked on it. I’d say more, but Ol’ Betsy JUST ATE MY ENTIRE LETTER!!!!! Search turned up nothing, so it’s back to the “Salt Wells” for me!

    http://www.hcn.org/blogs/goat/not-so-cx-y-now

    http://www.billingsgazette.com/news/state-and-regional/wyoming/article_72fc38f2-3d4c-11df-845b-001cc4c002e0.html

    • sandra longley said

      That is great news! I was doing alot of reading on WYO in preperation and I realised at the time that Bush was pushing hard to get those leases done by the end of his term, and it was looking like they had WYO in the crosshairs..They do have some real good people in that state that go to the wall for the land and horses unlike Nevada.. which sells its soul for a dollar.Nevada has some real scummy politicians..After everything I found out in my research I decided not to move there.

  36. Linda said

    T. – Sorry I “horned in” on your reply.

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